Dawn Barkan, Animal Trainer, “Inside Llewyn Davis”

When my Mom told me there was a movie with an orange cat in it, I didn’t care what it was about, I was definitely going to see it.

The movie turned out to be “Inside Llewyn Davis,” and as I began reading reviews, one name showed-up consistently in one article after another. It wasn’t the name of an actor, writer, producer or director. No, it was the name of one Dawn Barkan, animal trainer. In this case, cat trainer.  (She’s well known for training Jinx the cat in “Meet The Parents” and “Meet the Fockers” to flush the toilet – among other things)

inside lLyewyn davis cat

“Inside Llewyn Davis” publicity photo with Llewyn Davis and Ulysses the cat.

After watching the movie I knew I had to find this woman. I like a challenge, and boy did tracking her down turn out to be a big one. Many emails were sent. They started off professionally and ending-up with my shamelessly begging for 15 minutes of her time. In my final attempt, I shamelessly attached a photo of my three cats and – voila! I got the interview! I felt like I’d personally won an Oscar!

Here you have it, my interview with the elusive and talented Dawn Barkan (T = Tamar and D = Dawn).

DAWM BARKAN

The talented and very elusive Dawn Barkan

T: How do most people get into animal training, and how did you make the journey yourself?

D: Everyone comes at it through different routes.  I slipped and fell into it. I was planning on going into advertising and decided to take the summer to work at the local zoo. It was an eye opener, I was like “OMG people get paid to work with animals – I’ve been missing out!”  So I ended up going into animal behavior, training dolphins in Florida at the Miami Sea Aquarium. But being poor was not for me.

I eventually met a woman who introduced me to Gary Gero who owns “Birds and Animals” (a premier supplier of animals for the television and movie industries). I didn’t know who he was at the time, just that he needed people for a show at Universal Studios who had previous primate experience, which I did.

Dawn Barkan with Primate

Dawn with Primate

T: Did you grow up with animals?

D: No, but growing up in Chicago I spent time at the zoo just observing them. I really identified with them and always loved them.

T: How many pets do you have now?

D: Six dogs, three cats, one pony and a salt-water tank (she didn’t mention what was in that tank and I feared to ask!). I have Jinx #4 – Meet The Parents and Meet The Fokker’s – as well two other male cats I adopted from Petfinder who have learned to use the doggie door (since they live with an animal trainer I’m not THAT surprised!).

Jinx #4

Jinx #4

T: What’s the biggest misconception people have about being an animal trainer?

D: That we’re weird, uneducated people living with all of our animals in a doublewide trailer. What they don’t realize is that some of us are highly educated.

T: Having worked in advertising I’ve heard people use the term animal wrangler. How is an animal wrangler different than an animal trainer?

D: Animal wrangler was used more as terminology for working horses, cattle and other farm animals. They wrangled them but didn’t actually train them. [Tamar: Essentially, to be called a wrangler if you are an animal trainer is an insult.]

T: What’s the hardest part of your job.

D: The people I work with. You get on-set and people start in with, “I have a dog that does x” or “My cat can do z.”   It is one thing to do it once, but to do it on command multiple times is another. [Tamar: Good thing my cats don’t do anything or I could have totally seem myself making the same faux pas! Thanks untalented cats, you saved me this time!]

T: What’s most rewarding about your job?

D: 100% it’s the relationship with the animals. You break-through with them and you build trust.

Dawn surrounded by just a few of her babies (can you spot the 2-legged one?!)

Dawn surrounded by just a few of her babies (can you spot the 2-legged one?!)

T: Do you work mostly with pure breeds or do you ever work with rescue cats? And what’s the best way to work with and motivate a cats?

A: Most of my animals are from rescues, even the purebreds.  Getting them comfortable with their surroundings.  Desensitization. Showing them the situation won’t hurt them helps them do their job. As far as motivation, pretty much for cats its universally food!

T: What’s the strangest, most unusual animal you’ve had to work with on-set?

D: I work with bugs, like scorpions.

T: You can train a scorpion?

D: Well, that goes into the realm of wrangling!

T: Are there animals you refuse to work with?

D: Up until last year, I refused to work with rats. I was completely phobic. That changed last year when one of the people I work with all the time was doing “Ninja Turtles” and wanted me to work on it. I just couldn’t say no to her. Now I think rats are the best!

Tamar Arslanian with rat

The only time I got cozy with a rat it peed on me. It’s peeing on me as this photo is being taken. Am I a pro or what?

T: Have you ever been in a situation where you flat-out refused to do the job? 

D: I’ve had requests I wouldn’t do because of the content. In one situation they wanted to do a scene where they were trying to kill a cat that just wouldn’t die. Another company did it.

T: Do any celebrities come to mind that you really enjoyed working with and were great with the animals?

D: Robin Williams. He’s just one of the most awesome people, he was phenomenal. He is actually very quiet and soft. Cameron Diaz is another one, just lovely. And Billy Bob Thorton, even helped us carry dog crates!

T: How many takes did it take to get Jinx to flush the toilet in “Meet The Parents”? And how did you get him to jump up into De Niro’s arms – rub him down with tuna juice, put Temptations in his pockets?

photo credit: www.rockymounttelegram.com

Dawn with Jinx (photo credit: www.rockymounttelegram.com)

D: Not that many, you tell the production company how much time you need and then you practice at home. Ha, no. It’s just a trained behavior that the cat learns. Bob [Tamar: Robert De Niro to the rest of us] is another one who is just phenomenal.

T: What’s the biggest challenge you’ve had on set?

D: “Inside Llewyn Davis,” was particularly challenging because of the environments – the live subway station in particular.  But by the time we got to set, the cats were already desensitized. I bought a subway sound CD and played it at home. But the vibrations of the subway were what they were most sensitive too.

Hanging out in the NYC subway (photo credit: www.filmmisery.com )

Hanging out in the NYC subway (photo credit: www.filmmisery.com )

We also did a lot on the streets of New York. We had safety measures in place like waist ties, but it was not a closed set.

NOTE: For those of you who saw the movie and thought Ulysses was by played one adorable ginger kitty – surprise! There were three cats sharing the lead cat role! According to www.vulture.com Dawn hired the three ginger cats, Tigger, Jerry, and Daryl because of their varied temperament that could be leveraged depending on the situation (being held, being on a live subway etc).

(photo credit: blogs.indiewire.com)

(photo credit: blogs.indiewire.com)

T: Getting back to “Inside Llewyn Davis,” how did you manage to make the cat limp in pain on the side of the road?

D: Well the animal was supposed to be ambiguous – unclear if it was in fact the cat. So we used my dog, my Brussels Griffon Finn! I taught him to limp and we put a foxlike tail on him!

For the record, when watching the movie I was convinced the ambiguous animal was Ulysses the cat and was crying like a baby. My Mother kept having to lean over to comfort me, reminding me it was just a movie and not real life. It’s ironic to end this piece congratulating a dog, but I must say – well done Finn, well done. Ya got me.

Dawn's pup Finn played the role of "ambiguous" animal in "Inside Llewyn Davis"

Dawn’s own pup Finn played the role of “ambiguous” animal in “Inside Llewyn Davis”

And In case you were wondering, Dawn is very friendly and down-to-earth. Turns out she lives in New Jersey, which isn’t that far from me. Maybe we can do drinks? But that’s probably pushing it. Maybe if I send her kitten pictures? Or an actual kitten?

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  • Loved this! You beat me. She was on my list of peeps to interview. Let’s catch up soon.

    • Tamar

      Awwwww. She is hard to catch! And yes, we need to finish our conversation!

  • Rebecca

    WONDERFUL interview! I loved every moment! Great photos too! (The one with you and the rat is priceless!)

    • Tamar

      Ha ha! I was surprised I could find it! 🙂

  • Great interview, Tamar! I hadn’t heard of this movie and would definitely like to see it. My all-time favorite “orange cat” movie was Harry and Tonto. check it out if you’ve never seen it.

    • Tamar

      I don’t know Harry and Tonto – will have to check it out! Thanks as always Bonnie!

  • Dawn Hessler

    I never say no to a good Martini 🙂

    • Tamar

      Ha!

    • Tamar

      Be careful what you put down, I might pick it up! 🙂

  • Congratulations on hooking the elusive Dawn! It was worth all the effort – what a great interview and she has such an interesting life! Moving forward, I guess you need to lead with the picture of you and your cats! )

    • Tamar

      I think that might be a good tactic – the cats at least! 🙂

  • Wonderful interview!!

    • Tamar

      Thanks so much babe! Glad you liked it!

  • Rena

    Great job, Tamar–both on “catching” Dawn and on interviewing her. Imagine just “falling into” that amazing profession! I haven’t seen the movie yet, but I’m almost afraid to see any movie that involves animals. I’m sure I’ll be sobbing like you. 🙁

    • Tamar

      Hi Rena! You’ll be OK, esp now that you know it was FINN at the end! Haha! You do have to like folk music though – lots of that going on!

  • Great – interesting interview. I see the rat pee on you hand. ewww Love the cats of course – and the doggie stunt man. ha ha

    • Tamar

      Hi Diana! Thanks for stopping by and leaving a comment! Glad you enjoyed the interview! =^^=

  • Fantastic interview! And incredibly fascinating! Every now and again I try to train the cats to do something. Currently it is switching off the lights. Slow going so now I know I have to use the NOMS incentive! Oh, and lately wrangling seems to be more the order of the day.

    • Tamar

      Awwwww THANK YOU! Wow you do? Beware – if you turn the to switch OFF the lights they might start switching the ON! 🙂 I’m def more of a wrangler! Not sure my cats are trainable! LOL! =^^=

  • Great interview. I will have to watch this movie too!

    • Tamar

      Thank you! 🙂 Ya gotta like folk music to see the movie that’s one thing for sure!

    • ditto,movie is on my list.as a kid i had pet mice/rats.they were cuddly,soft &sweet.

  • Deborah Darsie

    What a fabulous interview, rat pee and all! I knew it had to be a special one if Tiny Timmy mentioned it!

    • Tamar

      LOL! Thanks for visiting our little blog Deborah! Yes, TT knows what’s what for sure! =^^=

  • I saw the trailers and thought, “It’s about two of my favorite things–folk music and orange cats!” But then I read the people were kind of nasty even though the music was good and I got too worried about the cat to watch the movie so I asked around on FB for someone who had seen the movie to tell me if they hurt the cat or not. One of my friends assured me that the yellow cat was fine at the end so I went to see it. Well done, Dawn and kitties and pup! All critters were charming. I hope you got them little tuxes for getting animal Oscars because the cat character was the most intriguing part of the movie. Now I’d like to see a GOOD movie about folk music. Thank you, Dawn and associates and thanks, Tamar and feline accomplices for getting this interview. Definitely sharing it!

    • Tamar

      I agree they should have gotten some props! I think they were the best part of the movie! Glad you enjoyed the interview and THANK YOU for sharing!!!

  • Tamar, I love your tenacity. Also enjoyed the interview very much and the insight into this career. Thanks, Janet

  • Ana

    Great interview, Tamar! It’s so cool to learn about the “behind the scenes” work done with animals in the entertainment industry. You asked all the questions I had been wondering about! Thanks! 🙂

  • Great interview Miss T.! Very interesting!
    (Now Owner wishes she could train me to flush the toilet…)

  • What a FUN interview!!! I’ve always wondered about the behind-the-scenes of movie animals. I’ve only seen Meet the Parents, oh… a dozen times! I’ve not seen Inside Llewyn Davis yet, but it’s now at the very top of my must-see list!
    : ) GG

  • Love this interview!